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Title: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 04, 2016, 11:29:03 PM
So it seems that getting the tree to the max on Siege is going to be tough. I am pretty sure it can be done, but not in every city as we just don't have the BODers here. So I think the best strategy for the next town is to get as many characters as possible to turn in a single junk BOD. It doesn't matter what it is, just as long as they turn one in and create an entry. As a reward goes to a certain percentage of participants based on the level of the tree, the more participants we can get the more rewards will be dished out.

Then, those people that really want a reward can turn in more BODs, probably at least around 400 points (a large BOD say). Whilst nobody is assured of a reward, if there are lots of characters who have just turned in a single BOD, most people who turn in a few hundred points should end up with one. I think it is probably fairly pointless to turn in vast number of BODs on one character, better to spread them around 2-3.

So let's see how that strategy works. Get everyone you can to come and turn a BOD in. Give them a junk one so they can do it. Also, let's try and get the tree to level 2 and then leave it there. The points required to get to the next level increase each time and we were even not able to get to level three last time. So let's conserve the BODs for now and save them up for a bug push later on and instead only use a modest amount using this strategy and see how it works.

Any suggestions/modifications, please post here...
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Natalia on December 05, 2016, 06:31:04 AM
HI.  As I have no idea how this thing works, could you let us know where the next tree you want us to try is, and when to start doing it?  I'm leaving town end of the week but will be back mid next week, and would be happy to help.  Well, I hate bods, but this is a good cause.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 05, 2016, 01:36:39 PM
It's fairly straightforward fortunately and we are trying it in the current city, which is Jhelom. We need as many characters as possible who were not otherwise turning in BODs for the festival to turn in a single completed  junk BOD to Nestor the Elf, who is located on the south island near the jewellery shop (just drop the BOD onto him). The best BODs to use for this purpose are a small normal ten piece cloth or iron weapon one worth the minimum ten points, but any low value BOD will do.

If anyone needs BODs for this, let me or someone else know as there are plenty of them. And if you know of anyone from another shard or part-time Siege player who will log on to drop one, please feel free to ask. You would just need to gate them to the elf and give them a filled BOD to drop (and it is possible that they may end up with a reward at the end).

We don't know what the percentage of participants get rewards for each stage the tree reaches, but let us assume it is 20-30% for stage two. That means that if we can get an additional 100 characters to drop a BOD who would not otherwise have taken part, 20-30 extra rewards will be given out, mostly to those characters that are contributing a few hundred points or more.

For anyone accessed to Gilfane Loot House, a rune to the elf is located on the ground floor.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Freja on December 05, 2016, 01:48:40 PM
I told my members to look at this thread and will tell the ones I do not have on ICQ, when I get home. I may be able to get help from a friend on Europa too, maybe offer to do the same for their shard to help them.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: kelmo on December 05, 2016, 01:53:45 PM
With your permission, I would like to link this to the Vice Alliance forums. I will attempt to emulate this strategy by providing filled bods to the Vice crew. 
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 05, 2016, 05:22:12 PM
Quote from: kelmo on December 05, 2016, 01:53:45 PM
With your permission, I would like to link this to the Vice Alliance forums. I will attempt to emulate this strategy by providing filled bods to the Vice crew. 

By all means, thanks.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: kelmo on December 05, 2016, 05:57:14 PM
It is done. I will check regularly for updates and strategy changes.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Tjalle on December 05, 2016, 06:08:17 PM
Quote from: kelmo on December 05, 2016, 01:53:45 PM
With your permission, I would like to link this to the Vice Alliance forums. I will attempt to emulate this strategy by providing filled bods to the Vice crew. 

Make it a two way link.
You know.. so we can.. spy, and stuff...  :P
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Creeger on December 05, 2016, 06:33:01 PM
I've donated a junk BoD to the Jhelom tree. I'm not yet sure if I'm going to "go all out" for this tree. I'll update this thread with my total donation record, if/when I do decide to throw more at the Jhelom tree.


BoD points donated: 25
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: kelmo on December 05, 2016, 06:49:13 PM
*smiles* Nothing to see there...
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Zardoz of Crete aka Kimi aka Victoria Secret on December 05, 2016, 06:56:46 PM
I had Kenzie, Kimi, Vixen and Zardoz all drop a junk BOD count of 10
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Blind Otto on December 05, 2016, 07:16:48 PM
Turning in these 4, then I need to go mining again...

225 points
210 points
375 points
410 points

Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Razz on December 05, 2016, 07:32:05 PM
Well 'tis the season!

Looks like Baby Doll has a similar idea and has offered up his services and BoDs. I posted this link on BabyDolls Stratics thread.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: kelmo on December 05, 2016, 08:08:53 PM
What is the best method of tracking points?
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Razz on December 05, 2016, 08:24:33 PM
It should show you the BoD points when you click on the BoD. I have been keeping my point tally on notepad doc.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Razz on December 05, 2016, 09:11:53 PM
Please check out the Stratics thread on this topic as well. Once we get some feedback on the Jhelom tree we can post an official thread and I'll also post on all other shards to get full saturation.

http://stratics.com/threads/maybe.380477/
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Natalia on December 06, 2016, 02:16:54 AM
Hi.  I haven't really got the time now to collect the bods and fill them, but if someone wants to give me a bunch of filled bods, I'll be more than happy to drop them.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Tjalle on December 06, 2016, 02:52:21 AM
Kyronix answers some questions and give out some info in this thread:


http://stratics.com/threads/festival-was-total-crap-bit-of-a-rant.380436/
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: CharGar on December 06, 2016, 04:10:47 AM
They are using the banked points for worth..not the turn in points...per kyronix...

Kindly look again at what Lord Frodo and Kyronix had to say just a bit above here ...

Lord Frodo said: "So would those fractions be like I don't know lets say %2 for a SBOD and %20 of a LBOD. I have the sneaking suspicion that they are using the Bank Point system with the Tree/Gift because that is already in place."

Kyronix replied: "Yes."

See the bold, red part that I highlighted? Frodo made an educated guess and Kyronix replied to the affirmative. To me that means the banked value is what is being used on the tree/gift thingy. That's how I read that whole two posts. Simple.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 06, 2016, 06:50:23 AM
Okay, so that is significant in that case. It now means that LBODs are the way to go. That would help explain why I got a reward on my one character who dropped a single LBOD whilst some people who dropped lots of smalls with a far greater total normal value got nothing. In that case, I would suggest dropping a single complete LBOD on any character you wish to try and get a reward on and then any junk non-exceptional for a character who is just there to create an entry.

The next big question is how many LBODs is it going to take to get it all the way? And how many did people use on the first tree?

Also, anyone who is short on LBODs on tailor or smith might think about exchanging their junk smalls for new BODs in the regular fashion. And there seems little point in dropping smalls on the elf if you are going to donate a large to him.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 06, 2016, 07:26:02 AM
...and the burning question with this new knowledge is whether we try and throw everything at Jhelom to get it to the top or if we just more or less give up on it (other than the strategy of getting as many as possible to enter) and save our LBODs for a big push in the next city.

Hmm...
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 06, 2016, 07:33:53 AM
Haha!!!!!!!!!!!

I decided to try shoving some LBODs on the tree to see what happened. After adding the ninth 350 pointer the tree moved to level three, which we never made last time!

So yes, maybe we should go for it now. We don't know whether the points required goes up arithmetically or geometrically, but I am sure we can do it.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 06, 2016, 08:35:02 AM
Okay, so now for the bad news. I started adding every filled LBOD I could scrounge and so far have put in 36185 points (basic points, not banked) and it is still stage three. So it is going to take a vast amount to get it to max.

Secondly, Mistymoon then said that according to people she knows who are in cahoots with the Devs, it is not banked points that count and also they bumped up the point requirements after GL maxed out on day one. Of course, all that may or may not be true, but either way, why the hell Kyronix cannot just come flat out and tell us what counts - regular value or banked - I don't know. This is hugely significant information for those of us on a non-metropolis shard. It's not something we easily experiment with to work it out, we need to know now. Jeez....
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 06, 2016, 09:39:46 AM
So I finally got it stage four by adding a few more. Total points I added was 40,865, which is a rather odd number (it's possible I may have written something down wrong). A couple of other people were adding the odd small here or there, but not many, so 40kish LBOD points seems to be what is required to get from three to four.

That means to max it out we are going to have to sink at least 80k points reckon, given that it probably doubles each stage, and maybe more. It is doable though if we have enough people dropping LBODs.

*edit* duh, of course, it wouldn't have been exactly the number I stated - the last one I dropped would have taken it through the level four barrier, it would not necessarily have needed all the points that last BOD provided.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Freja on December 06, 2016, 01:03:32 PM
I turned in 5 colored large exo bods last night, when still Charlie Brown tree, I will try to get some more done when I get home.
I will also get some crappy bods done for a Steward and spread the key word to TDO friends, could be great if some old Siege players get a reward if we success finish the tree.
Even when large bods are a pain, avg 150 banking points are way better than the 4.5 banking points for my exp weapon bods.
I still wonder how many points the Gingerbread men do give, had not tested if he like candy too.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 06, 2016, 01:13:26 PM
To summarize for everyone, it took around 8k bank points to move the tree from three to four. So assuming a doubling of the difficulty each level, which is just a total guess really as it could be much more or even a bit less, we would need around 16k bank points more to max out. Normal small BODs are useless and should be used to exchange for better ones in the normal fashion. What is mainly needed are large BODs (probably 150-200 of them) or failing that copious quantities of exceptional smalls. We have just under two days to do it.

Also, people who are trying to get rewards may want to think ahead and arrange shard trades. Go to Atlantic (say) and put a BOD on their tree and then try and get Atlantic people to come and drop one here, then trade at the end. This assumes, of course, we can max out. But it seems unlikely we will be able to max another tree or even have the desire to do so.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Freja on December 06, 2016, 01:27:18 PM
Stage 4 already, did not believe it was possible, well done *Sitting at work and feels useless with a stupid firewall, that do not allow UO to connect*
I will do what I can to help as soon I get home. Wish I had made all my stupid weapon bods to large ónes last.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: CharGar on December 06, 2016, 01:40:37 PM
Well, I believe Kyronix did flat out say its the bank points that count.  I also had about 15 people last night turn in just one bod.  Pop from Pac was gonna send more folks today.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 06, 2016, 02:40:36 PM
Quote from: CharGar on December 06, 2016, 01:40:37 PM
Well, I believe Kyronix did flat out say its the bank points that count.  I also had about 15 people last night turn in just one bod.  Pop from Pac was gonna send more folks today.

Not in the thread that was linked here. After much cajoling he sort of admitted it. But anyway, it certainly seems now that it is banked points.

*further dog walk musings. Ignore if desired!*

The only question remains how many points it is going to take us now and without any empirical evidence from another level we cannot be certain. But let's assume it was exactly 8000 points to get to level four. They could be using a simple arithmetic increase whereby it is 2k for level one, 4k for two, 6k for three, 8k for four, which would mean a further 10k to max. But based on how hard it has reportedly been to move it up on other shards it is perhaps more likely that it is a geometric increase, and here the "8" in 8000 is significant because it suggests that the sequence would be 1k for one, 2k for two, 4k for three, 8k for four and 16k for max. Of course, it may also be some completely arbitrary point value for each level or factor in whether Andromeda is in conjunction with Neptune or something. But assuming it is a proper sequence, if 8000 is indeed the value for level four then I cannot see any other logical solution that would lead to 8000 on the fourth iteration.

Therefore I am preparing for 16k being needed to max, would be pleasantly surprised if it only turns out to be 10k, and prepared to accept that it could be any number and possibly even a lot more.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Razz on December 06, 2016, 02:58:04 PM
Are we going to try this on Jhelom or stay with an attempt at maxing another tree at a later date? I originally posted maybe Dec 17th weekend to get the word out and give us a weekend to fill BoDs.  But after Kyronix gave that lil tidbit of info it will seems bit easier to get to the goal. At least we know what kind of BoDs to use now.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Creeger on December 06, 2016, 03:54:29 PM
I only have one LBoD, (haven't been BoDing very long at all), but I don't have all the BoDs I need to fill it.

I'm looking to buy/trade for Wood, Exceptional Crossbow 20 & Wood, Exceptional Heavy Crossbow 20 BoDs, please.


And can we get confirmation on which tree we're going to make the "big push" for? I only have the one LBoD, so I gota make sure it counts!  ;D
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 06, 2016, 04:26:00 PM
We are going for this one now. It was not the original intention but new information puts a different light on it. In hindsight it would have been better to wait for next time, but I really wanted to know the points requirements and as I was there when it went to to three and had lots of filled LBODs ready, it was the perfect opportunity to find the exact count need to go to four (and it was more than I expected). So as I sank so many LBODs into getting up to four, and others have bringing up to three, we may as well push to get all the way otherwise we are going to have to burn all those next time just getting it to where we are now. Well still have over a day and a half to do it. If we can max this one out we can then take a break for a few cities and think about trying again toward the end.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Razz on December 06, 2016, 04:49:35 PM
Sounds like a good plan. That should also work well with the Dec 17th Weekend. I'll pass it on to Stratics Forums
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Natalia on December 06, 2016, 09:34:13 PM
As I am completely confused, does that mean this tree will mature Dec 17?  Will be gone until next Tues, when I actually would have time to do some bods.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Razz on December 06, 2016, 09:51:22 PM
The tree is on a 3 day cycle. With 1 day of rest. So every 4 days a new tree will pop up at another city. This will continue until the season is over.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Freja on December 07, 2016, 11:59:25 AM
Thanks to all the crafters for the hard work, I know some did put lots of hours, resources and bods to make this happen.
I turned in the last Lbod needed, think 25 in all for this three but the shard made it happen.

The Star is on top :)
(http://frejasp.dk/images/Siegetree.jpg)
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Tjalle on December 07, 2016, 12:03:24 PM
Nice pic, Freja.  :)

Good job everyone!
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 07, 2016, 12:42:26 PM
Congrats, Siege! Considering that the metropolis of Atlantic has not yet completed their Jhelom tree, that is a great effort.

I feel very confident that my calculations on the points required were correct and that it needed 16k for stage five. That would mean a total of 31k is needed for the tree as a whole, which represents approximately 350 LBODs, give or take. So the shard will have to decide whether or not it wants to try for another tree in the future. One suggestion would be the eighth tree, which should be there on Xmas day itself. That would give everyone just over two weeks to prepare a new load of BODs.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Dr Alzheimer on December 07, 2016, 01:47:21 PM
I am very impressed! Good job!
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Freja on December 07, 2016, 04:52:53 PM
So with other words, point needed for the stages:
Charlie Brown: 1k
Small green: 2k
Large Green: 4k
Large with deco: 8k
Large with star: 16k

May only be 250 Large smith bods  if soma are lower colors exp. armor bods and the rest exp. weapon bods.

Good work Hoffs getting the idea of this.



Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: kelmo on December 08, 2016, 01:52:30 AM
I have 35 lbods ready to go at this point.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Razz on December 08, 2016, 03:26:46 AM
Hold onto them. We are gearing up for one of the trees during Christmas week.  :D
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Natalia on December 08, 2016, 08:51:06 AM
Christmas week sounds great.  I will help all I can.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Razz on December 08, 2016, 01:55:39 PM
There is a poll on Stratics to see if we want to go for the tree before Christmas or after Christmas. Please check it out and vote!
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Freja on December 09, 2016, 08:29:54 AM
I had been thinking how non crafters can help the crafters. Building this trees are very expensive in time and resources for the crafters and the younger not so rich ones may not be able to afford it, even wwhen they do have the skill to help.

My idea is, instead of putting up stewards with free bods for the non crafters, I rather see the crafters put filled, ready for the elf on vendors.

Prices could be something like 500-1k a banking point, this way the crafters will get some gold to buy new resources and get paid for their time.
I know the first trees had already costed me mills in resources, young crafters can't afford that.
If we are enough crafters, we may be able to do more than one tree more.
It take 2oo-400 large bods to build the tree with star on the top and gifts to all who turn in at least one BoD. If we do not make it to top and it become a raffle, the ones with most banking point on their bods do have best chance to get a gift.

Normal SBOD: 500 - 1k
Exp SBOD: 2.5k - 5k
Exp weapon bod: 60k - 120k
Colored Smith BOD 250 banking point: 125k - 250k

How do that sounds? I believe it could make more crafters give a hand if they get a little more than a single gift for using lots of resources and time.

Next thing we need is Miners, Lumbers, cloth and leather gatherers to help selling the resources the crafters need or any other with large piles stored in their bank or home.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Razz on December 09, 2016, 02:02:05 PM
Quote from: Freja on December 09, 2016, 08:29:54 AMMy idea is, instead of putting up stewards with free bods for the non crafters, I rather see the crafters put filled, ready for the elf on vendors.

The BoDs on the Stewards should already be filled and ready for turn in.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Freja on December 09, 2016, 02:51:26 PM
Yes if we are talking of crappy bods that do not cost much to make but I was thinking instead of me adding 20-30 LBODS of 110 to 250 banking points, I could add the 10 of them and be sure to get a reward and sell the rest to someone who would like to have a chance for a reward and I would get some of the money back I used to buy ingots for.
I feel it is insane, that one person turn in 20-30 bods to get one reward. Sure I will let my other account turn in some of them but I may still have a few I can sell and help others.
I do know I increase my own chance if I only give crappy bods away and I could end up not get gifts on all my chars, if I sell some of the LBODS to others.

I do believe we may be able to finish more than one tree more if the young crafters can afford to help.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Sara Dale on December 09, 2016, 03:13:58 PM
The highest points I gave to the elf was 660 points  the lowest was 350.  One in between and we all 3 got something.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 09, 2016, 03:14:58 PM
Quote from: Freja on December 09, 2016, 02:51:26 PM
Yes if we are talking of crappy bods that do not cost much to make but I was thinking instead of me adding 20-30 LBODS of 110 to 250 banking points, I could add the 10 of them and be sure to get a reward and sell the rest to someone who would like to have a chance for a reward and I would get some of the money back I used to buy ingots for.
I feel it is insane, that one person turn in 20-30 bods to get one reward. Sure I will let my other account turn in some of them but I may still have a few I can sell and help others.
I do know I increase my own chance if I only give crappy bods away and I could end up not get gifts on all my chars, if I sell some of the LBODS to others.

I do believe we may be able to finish more than one tree more if the young crafters can afford to help.

Yes, I think that is fair idea. Give it a try and see how well they sell.

*edit* ..of course, one risk is that you may have someone buy them to turn in for normal BOD rewards and the shard would never get the benefit of your work, so they would have to be priced to avoid that.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 09, 2016, 03:40:56 PM
I am now utterly confident that the theorised point structure is correct. As a final test we added BODs to the elf at server-up in Minoc and the Charlie Brown tree appeared at 1k bank points.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Freja on December 09, 2016, 04:55:19 PM
Quote*edit* ..of course, one risk is that you may have someone buy them to turn in for normal BOD rewards and the shard would never get the benefit of your work, so they would have to be priced to avoid that.
Yes that is a risk, a 20 exp iron LBOD is worth 450 to 600 turn in point = a POF so if I sell to cheap, they will turn it in for POF so I'm most minded to sell them for 750 to 1k a banking point, then the POF on vendors will be cheaper.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Razz on December 09, 2016, 06:18:54 PM
I think if its a large BoD then we should submit it or give to someone who you know will. If someone we dont know just wants to add to the tree and doesn't have a way, thats what the free SBoDs are for. There is a chance they wont get something but it's a heck of a lot better chance they will with a SBoD then no BoD at all.

LBoDs are too important to get a full tree. I wouldn't risk selling them at any price.  
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 09, 2016, 07:40:38 PM
Quote from: Razz on December 09, 2016, 06:18:54 PM
I think if its a large BoD then we should submit it or give to someone who you know will. If someone we dont know just wants to add to the tree and doesn't have a way, thats what the free SBoDs are for. There is a chance they wont get something but it's a heck of a lot better chance they will with a SBoD then no BoD at all.

LBoDs are too important to get a full tree. I wouldn't risk selling them at any price.  

Could still sell them, but only in direct trade to someone you know is going to feed it to the elf.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Razz on December 09, 2016, 08:00:03 PM
Quote from: Hoffs on December 09, 2016, 07:40:38 PMCould still sell them, but only in direct trade to someone you know is going to feed it to the elf.

*presses like button*
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Razz on December 10, 2016, 02:05:38 PM
So far the Stratics Christmas tree poll is 18 to 6 in favor of the Dec 21st-23rd tree.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 10, 2016, 03:46:56 PM
Without having any clue as to what the percentage reward payout is on trees that don't reach maximum, it's very difficult to come up with any recommendation as to what we should do on those trees we are not trying to max out.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Freja on December 10, 2016, 04:06:08 PM
My guess are  x% of the chars who turn in will get a reward and each stage will increase the procent.
Charlie brown: 20%
Small green: 40%
Large green:60%
Deco large: 80%
Tree with star: 100%
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Becca on December 10, 2016, 05:28:44 PM
The tree is second stage now
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 10, 2016, 05:58:48 PM
Quote from: Freja on December 10, 2016, 04:06:08 PM
My guess are  x% of the chars who turn in will get a reward and each stage will increase the procent.
Charlie brown: 20%
Small green: 40%
Large green:60%
Deco large: 80%
Tree with star: 100%

That could be the case, but it doesn't really make sense given that it costs double the resources to make the next level. You would be better off taking two trees to stage four than using the same resources to take one to five.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: CharGar on December 12, 2016, 04:08:44 PM

Per Kyronix, we are a day behind everyone else on the tree since we started late.

http://community.stratics.com/threads/siege-reward-bag.380780/#post-2788181

Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Freja on December 12, 2016, 09:08:30 PM
Quote from: Hoffs on December 10, 2016, 05:58:48 PM
That could be the case, but it doesn't really make sense given that it costs double the resources to make the next level. You would be better off taking two trees to stage four than using the same resources to take one to five.

Sure it could also be:
Charlie brown: 10%
Small green: 20%
Large green:40%
Deco large: 80%
Tree with star: 100%
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 13, 2016, 03:29:25 PM
From feedback I have received so far, 59 of 102 characters received a reward from Minoc, so nearly bang on 60%. That included a fair spread of characters with different values added.

So it does indeed suggest they are using a straight 20/40/60/80/100 payout. Again, this means that maxing a tree is not an efficient use of BOD resources given that it costs double the amount of points to get an extra 20% payout. So whilst we may want to max the Christmas tree as a challenge, it doesn't really make sense to do any others when instead of maxing one tree you could take two to stage four for the same amount of points.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: CharGar on December 13, 2016, 03:44:42 PM
While I agree with your consensus, the tree the of Dec 24, the people of Siege want a full blown out tree for Christmas. So we are going to try to max it out for that tree.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Sarah on December 14, 2016, 08:52:16 PM
I got a gift in minoc. one of my chars got a gift. :)
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 17, 2016, 03:40:47 PM
The cities are presumably going in alphabetical order? So the next one, which is the one we want to max I believe, will be Skara.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Freja on December 18, 2016, 01:00:50 AM
It may not be Skara as the Elf is in New Magincia now so next tree may be Occlo
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Hoffs on December 18, 2016, 09:21:45 AM
Quote from: Freja on December 18, 2016, 01:00:50 AM
It may not be Skara as the Elf is in New Magincia now so next tree may be Occlo

Oh, okay, I hadn't thought about Occlo. I was thinking that Skara, Trinsiic, Vesper and Yew were the remaining ones.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Reuggan on December 18, 2016, 01:29:36 PM
It's only in towns with Governors, so no Occlo
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Post by: Sara Dale on December 18, 2016, 04:11:21 PM
It might be hard to get to for some people.   Or hard to get back from.
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Post by: Leprechaun on December 18, 2016, 06:46:36 PM
UO.com/WIKI/Publish 95

•   Britain â€" East Britain Park
•   Jhelom â€" East of The Pearl of Jhelom
•   Minoc â€" West of The Matewan
•   Moonglow â€" East of the Scholar’s Goods
•   New Magincia â€" The Gazebo
•   Skara Brae â€" South of the Healer of Skara Brae
•   Trinsic â€" The Park
•   Vesper â€" East of the Fisherman’s Guild
•   Yew â€" East of the Yew Healer


Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Freja on December 19, 2016, 12:44:36 PM
Ok Skare then, sounds good, I always liked Skara.
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Post by: Sara Dale on December 21, 2016, 05:19:21 PM
I just added 1350 points of small exe tailor bods to the elf.  We now have a Charlie Brown tree.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: CharGar on October 29, 2017, 11:01:01 PM
Wanted to update this thread so folks that wanted to can get started on their bods early.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Sara Dale on October 30, 2017, 12:49:52 AM
I have some carpenter and alchemy bods if anyone wants them.  You cant just  take a few take them all.  I'm just going to stick to cooking ones. 
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: CharGar on October 30, 2017, 09:33:29 AM
I will take the carpentry ones
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Post by: Torin on October 30, 2017, 10:11:48 AM
How did this run again?  - Are we dropping the bods on the Elf? - Or are we dropping the Bods on the related NPC? (Tinkerer Bod on Tinkerer, etc.)

Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: CharGar on October 30, 2017, 10:17:58 AM
On the elf.
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Post by: Reuggan on October 30, 2017, 11:59:07 AM
I'm doing Alchemy, I could use those
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Post by: Sara Dale on October 30, 2017, 08:15:38 PM
They are in the loot house in boxes next to fishing poles.   Yell for me when you get on.  Thanks for taking them.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Reuggan on December 01, 2017, 01:09:45 PM
Festival is now active in Yew.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: CharGar on December 01, 2017, 04:21:07 PM
Are we shooting to make this a full tree?
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Creeger on December 01, 2017, 05:17:10 PM
I’ve had a few random thoughts about the festival that I thought I’d throw out here for discussion.

I got the impression, last year, that Hoffs and Freja were pretty big players in the tree building. I’m not sure our fearless leader is going all out again this year, and Freja hasn’t been playing much at all.  So, I’m thinking it might be even more important for the shard to coordinate.

The later in the month, the more time everyone gets to fill BoDs.

When we decide which tree(s) we’re really going to go for, I think communicating with the Stratic community and UWSP would be a good thing.
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Post by: CharGar on December 01, 2017, 11:27:05 PM
I just want the week of Christmas to have a full tree...That's really the only one I'm concerned about
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Creeger on December 02, 2017, 04:48:11 PM
Looks to me like UWSP is about to push the 1st tree to max, already.

https://stratics.com/threads/sieges-2017-artisan-festival.394242/#post-2894609 (https://stratics.com/threads/sieges-2017-artisan-festival.394242/#post-2894609)

Maybe we should jump in and push on this one?
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: CharGar on December 02, 2017, 05:21:12 PM
sounds like a good plan to me...I will help as well.
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Post by: Blind Otto on December 02, 2017, 07:53:11 PM
I'll donate the few spare minutes I have to the cause as well.
*dusts off box of bulk orders*
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: AstridWilma on April 05, 2021, 01:44:27 PM
Quote from: Hoffs on December 05, 2016, 01:36:39 PMIt's fairly straightforward fortunately and we are trying it in the current city, which is Jhelom. We need as many characters as possible who were not otherwise turning in BODs for the festival to turn in a single completed  junk BOD to Nestor the Elf, who is located on the south island near the jewellery shop (just drop the BOD onto him). The best BODs to use for this purpose are a small normal ten piece cloth or iron weapon one worth the minimum ten points, but any low value BOD will do.

If anyone needs BODs for this, let me or someone else know as there are plenty of them. And if you know of anyone from another shard or part-time Siege player who will log on to drop one, please feel free to ask. You would just need to gate them to the elf and give them a filled BOD to drop (and it is possible that they may end up with a reward at the end).

We don't know what the percentage of participants get rewards for each stage the tree reaches, but let us assume it is 20-30% for stage two. That means that if we can get an additional 100 characters to drop a BOD who would not otherwise have taken part, 20-30 extra rewards will be given out, mostly to those characters that are contributing a few hundred points or more.

For anyone accessed to Gilfane Loot House, a rune to the elf is located on the ground floor.

Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: Tjalle on April 14, 2021, 04:40:11 PM
What´s with all these bots lately?
:P
Title: Re: Artisan Festival strategy
Post by: SelmaAdam on June 26, 2021, 02:36:58 PM
Provision of filled bods to the Vice crew is key.